Many thanks to E-Nuf for providing me with some liberal fodder to fisk. I get so much enjoyment out of debating my liberal friends, and it has been a while since they've provided me the opportunity. Eat your heart out Rachel Lucas¹.

Enuf: Yo when are you libertarians just gonna accept it that gun laws like all modern protections where invented in modern times.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. Gun laws have been around since the invention of the gun. Arms, however, have been around since man walked erect. The right to bear arms for self-protection is an unalienable right that cannot be taken away.

If you read the federalist papers you see very clearly that the intent of the right to bear arms is specifically for state mill-ish-a-zs.

If it is written so 'clearly' and 'specifically', why don't you cite any passages? Here is one:

[The Constitution preserves] the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation...[where] the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. -- James Madison, The Federalist Papers, (No. 46)

I see where Madison talks about Americans being allowed to possess arms, but I don't see where he specifically states that those rights are reserved only to state-run militias. However, there is a lot of talk about the INDIVIDUAL right to keep and bear arms, and the general mistrust of a state-run standing army:

"The whole of that Bill [of Rights] is a declaration of the right of the people at large or considered as individuals...[I]t establishes some rights of the individual as unalienable and which consequently, no majority has a right to deprive them of." -- Albert Gallatin to Alexander Addison, Oct 7, 1789.

Before a standing army can rule the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States. -- Noah Webster of Pennsylvania, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, Philadelphia, 1787

No where is the personal right to own a semi automatic fire arm in the consitution

The Constitution also doesn't say you have the right to own a refrigerator, an automobile, a personal computer, or a television set. We could spend all day looking at what the Constitution doesn't say.

and who care anyway since you have the dam right in most states.

The operative word is most. Many localities like New York City, Washington DC, and Chicago deny citizens their unalienable right to keep and bear arms. Also, firearms continue to be highly regulated. For instance:

- Firearms are banned in places like schools, and on some state and federal property.
- You need permission from the government to purchase a firearm.
- Many states have a waiting period before you may purchase a firearm.
- Many makes and types of firearms have been banned and/or confiscated.
- Persons with mental illnesses cannot own firearms.
- Many states prohibit the transportation of firearms within their borders.
- Many states require a license to own a firearm.
- Many states require firearms to be 'child proofed'.
- Many states have sued firearms manufacturers for the misdeeds of their owners.

If your really that freaked out that government is gonna seize your property why dont you take your gun and shot a federal agent with it, only when they are seizing your property of course.

The thought of a nation where only the government is allowed to keep and bear arms scares me. As for property seizure, we already experience that. Every two weeks the government takes 1/3 of my earnings at the point of a gun.

¹I'm downright jealous of all the hate-mail and fisking that Rachel gets to respond to. All I ever get are Nigerian email scams.